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Fascinating post. Appreciate brushing back up on this topic - I'd forgotten how supplementing with creatine and sunflower lecithin can ease the methylation demand in our body and allow SAM to be used for other purposes. Interesting to hear about the need to transport SAM into the mitochondria and how important methylation is to the production of all mitochondrial proteins that are synthesized within the mitochondria. Also fascinating that all of complex ii is synthesized by the nuclear genome. Thanks very much as always!

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Jul 8Edited

I've actually started the base methylation protocol last week and two very interesting things happened:

1. My sleep has instantly improved by an incredible degree. No night wake ups, feeling good sleepiness, remembering lots of dreams suddenly, and not awaking up in the morning feeling like i have been run over by a car. (Note: my sleep improved with glycine alone in the past but never this much and it become worse after a few days so i stopped)

2. I became absolutely massively depressed within a day. Zero motivation, no energy, instantly overwhelmed by everything, high anxiety/irritability, and everything feels wrong. The worse i've had it in a long time.

So i was taking 2 x 500mg TMG, around 3-5g of creatine, 2x 200mg of Magnesium Glycinate, 100mg of b2 (since it is lowest capsule, but also tried swapping with 25mg riboflavin 5 phosphate and couldn't tell a difference), and 2 x 400mcg of methylfolate L-5-MTHF/DFE.

I then saw tweets by Dr Walsh (and a few mentions on reddit) that methylfolate increases the serotonin reuptake transporter, which for people with low serotonin could perhaps cause/increase depressive symptoms.

Yesterday i removed the folate from the protocol and today i feel significantly better, but my sleep last night was not as good.

Chris, I'm curious if this explanation tracks for you or if you think there is another reason for the sudden sharp depressive symptoms. And if it is the folate (for SERT expression reasons or other), what would be an alternative if any, or how should the protocol change to accommodate? Would just glycine, b2, tmg, and creatine be work fine without the folate? Any insights in general would be appreciated.

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